For past or current GWC students

I've been enrolled in the distance program at George Wythe College now for a few weeks. What an experience! It's wonderful yet stressful all at the same time. It's wonderful because I'm finally in that scholar phase that I could never manage on my own. It's wonderful because I'm having ephiphanies everyday. I was so moved when I read exerpts of Toqueville's, Democracy In America, that I wept as he described our Country as established by our Founding Father's. He had a way with words, as he described America, which moves, inspires and saddens me. Another ephiphanie I had to come face to face with is the fact that the reason I can't get enough study time in is because I have my 12 and 13 year old on the conveyor belt because I've been too afraid to really do a love of learning phase, yet realizing that in order to build something that will stand the test of time for my younger children meant getting off the conveyor belt. My studying has made me so introspective in such a short period of time. I have finally put my older kids into Love of Learning and I feel peaceful about it even knowing that keeping them on the conveyor belt these past 2 years since attending my first Face to Face with greatness seminar, will probably postpone their move into scholar phase for a while.
Here's where I need advice/ encouragement. I've only been able to study for about 8 hours/week and I don't think it is humanly possible to get through the amount of reading/studying I need to do this semester with so few hours. This is the first week off the conveyor belt, so I think my hours will be more about 15, but it feels like I need a lot more. I'm also reading about the civil war (I'm attempting to start my first epic adventure to inspire projects, fieldtrip, exposure in this area). I don't even feel like I have time to study other things my kids are interested in because after all our weekly music classes (band, choir, piano, jazz band, guitar), my studying, fieldtrips, chores, youth activities, cooking... there's no more time. How do you balance it? What should the priorities be? Please tell me how you structured your time being a student, wife and mom.
Thanks,
Deanna

Family Work

This family work thing sounds neat. Is there somewhere else I can read more about it? Do your children have any specific areas or jobs, or are they just expected to look around and notice what needs doing during family work time? My parents always gave us specific chores growing up and us kids would often drag them out all day. But, it also seems like the few times we were working "together" on something there would be bickering like "so-and-so isn't working." Although, I suppose you could work on those problems.

Family Work

Kathleen Slaugh Bahr has written and spoken extensively on it.
Google it,
Howard Center
Meridian Magazine
BYU

Also, I find that it goes along with the principle found in a book within my core book.- Deuteronomy 6: 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Prior to Babylon the Ancient Hebrews had no schools for children, so parents could carry out this directive.

I am aware that David tended the sheep? There are other examples, at what age?

My children have family stewardships where they had a family committee like family service, activities, preparedness, etc. They head and we are all on the committee. That way they get a little field experience.

They are also stewards of the things they own, the things they use, and their talents.

To Newbie

I just finished my masters while hs children in core, lol, and scholar phase. I graduate this week! My suggestion is less is more. I would really consider all the activities and though each may be good in and of itself, the combination can turn a mother into chauffeur. If you try to do it all, you will experience more frustration.

You might reconsider how you manage your home. Have you ever considered family work rather than chores? With family work, there is a time to work and everyone is working until it is done. We set aside 30 min to 1 hour after dinner. We ended up with the rest of the evening free, and woke to a tidy home. Laundry can be dovetailed into the day..

I shifted to a structure of rhythms, a time to eat, a time for devotional, a time to study, a time to work, etc.

When I read Walden, it was my birthday two years ago. A friend invited me to a birthday lunch. She is not a TJEder and so I was surprised when she showed up for lunch with her copy of Walden (she had dug it out of storage and reread it!). I decided that day that every mother needs to read Walden at least once! The message to simplify was huge!

Also, Jacques Barzun had some interesting points on reading in his book Teacher in America. My mother-in-law had similar sentiments. When you are reading to study it is not the same as reading to entertain. The goals are different. My mil said its like beach combing, you are looking for the treasures. Each time you read, you are a different person, with more experiences and different things will stick out to you.

Read the Taming of the Screw by DeMille and Bolon, and How to Read a Book and Why. These are articles and it might help you use your study time more effectively.

If you do not simplify, it can take much longer to finish your degree, and there is a higher probability of burnout.

aha!

I have been trying to absorb the notion of family work for quite awhile. It just occurred to me that I'm not willing to do deep cleaning or even most forms of daily cleaning on a regular basis, because I have too much stuff cluttering the place. I feel I have to decide by myself what to do with each thing (many of them don't have adequate storage space anyway); I don't want to delegate control of the contents of my home, but I have included many more things than I can adequately control myself.

Thank you, Donna, for triggering this insight by describing family work again. We could probably do what you describe, if I got rid of the clutter.

I can say, with some joy, that my children are each learning to determine for themselves what's worth keeping and what's not. Particularly in paperwork, I have gone through each child's drawer of papers with him or her at the end of the schoolyear, until each is ready to take charge of that task himself. The result is that my older children are much better at deciding instantly whether a page is worth keeping or not, than I am.

My mother always cleaned my room for me instead of with me; she threw out my papers instead of showing me how to determine value. I lost a lot that way, and have had to overcome a dislike of throwing out anything I've ever drawn or written. Not that my work is that good, but I want it to be recognized as valuable to me.

I agree that simplifying is vitally necessary, especially in a society so wealthy that my family could drown in cast-off clothing given us by others. Decide on your core classic, follow its precepts, and eliminate extras. You can do it!

My husband and I are both

My husband and I are both trying to do the distance Master's program right now. We only have two little children so our lives are probablly not nearly as busy as yours is. However, my husband has found that he has to do one semester off and one semester on. GWCAn abbreviation of George Wythe University (formerly George Wythe College), a private liberal arts college headquartered in Cedar City, Utah, which Dr. Oliver DeMille helped found, and where he formerly served as president. There are also plans underway for building a much larger campus in Monticello, Utah, and plans have also been announced for a remote campus in Alberta, Canada. provides the lists of books for each class on their website and so you can have all of the books read before you actually take the class. I also did that this summer because we were going on vacations and my baby was due in July. So instead of going to school I read all the books for the two classes I am now taking in the Fall. I understand how hard it is to get in study time. I feel very happy if I can get 12- 15 hours a week in, and I am not homeschooling yet! You are doing great! The important thing I think is just to set an amount of time that you can study a week (8 hours is great if that is what you can do) and then make the program work for your life. I have found that GWCAn abbreviation of George Wythe University (formerly George Wythe College), a private liberal arts college headquartered in Cedar City, Utah, which Dr. Oliver DeMille helped found, and where he formerly served as president. There are also plans underway for building a much larger campus in Monticello, Utah, and plans have also been announced for a remote campus in Alberta, Canada. is really flexible and accomodating. I found out my sister lost her baby on the day of my Oral exam and written finals were due and I basically told them I wasn't going to be in contact for about a month (it was also Christmas and we were moving!) After that month I got in all of my work and they graded it and gave me credit. If that had been any other University my entire semester of work would have been wasted! So, anyway my ad vice is just to keep going, even if you have to do two semesters of "preparation" where you are not enrolled, and one semester enrolled where you can get the great mentoring. (I find that the mentoring is the most needed when I am writing my papers.) It is not a race and you need to do what is best for your family!

Thanks for the encouragement and advice

Thank you ladies for the encouragement. It's amazing how the things Dr. DeMille teaches about leadership education really make sense the more I get off the conveyor belt and start applying it. For years I've read about the "6 month no" and thought yes, that's probably a good idea, but now I find myself in a true scholar phase and I have to sit down and do a "6 month no" out of necessity. I get it! Aurora, I would love to email with you since we're on the same path. This too is my first semester at GWCAn abbreviation of George Wythe University (formerly George Wythe College), a private liberal arts college headquartered in Cedar City, Utah, which Dr. Oliver DeMille helped found, and where he formerly served as president. There are also plans underway for building a much larger campus in Monticello, Utah, and plans have also been announced for a remote campus in Alberta, Canada. and I am in the Govt. class too. I have 2 Love of learners and 3 core phasers. My email is rdwelch@sti.net.
I did start this week giving the kids a day to cook. I go to bed by about 10:30 and I'm up at 6. I do get a little study time in before the kids get up. My 2 love of learners are enrolled in a public ISP because they want to be in the music classes. I'm going to elliminate some of them. But given that I took them off the conveyorbelt and won't be requiring each subject, they may very well be out of the ISP soon. My daughter may do the required work to stay in the classes, but my son won't want to.

Deanna, I am a Distance

Deanna,

I am a Distance Studies student. This is actually my first semester. I am taking the Government 1 class. I am loving it and learning so much. I am also struggling with finding the time to devote to my studies. We are a TJEdRefers generally to the concepts presented in the book A Thomas Jefferson Education, written by Dr. Oliver DeMille. We also have an Introduction to Thomas Jefferson Education available elsewhere on this site. family and we have two children in the LOL phase and 2 in Core phase.

I am working out our priorities right now so I do not have any advice but I wanted to tell you that you are not alone.

I agree...

Hi Deanna!

I think HFWM gave some great ideas.

Have you done a "6 Month No" recently? It sounds like your life is becoming very overwhelming to you, and it may be time to take a look at all that you've got going on, and with God and your husband, examine what in your life needs to go and what needs to stay.

I second the idea of having kids take over much of the cooking. It's taken me a while to "let it go" and let my kids take that duty over from me, but it's been a blessing to them and me both. And while it's imperfect, they're learning valuable lessons that they need to know in order to be successful, independent adults.

I also agree about looking at the activities and lessons, etc., and choosing to keep only those that are truly helping and inspiring your children. The ones that they'd do anything to keep. You may be surprised at what they're willing to drop.

I did Distance Studies at one point, and while it was wonderful, I learned that it wasn't the season for me at the time. I'm definitely not saying that is the case for you, but I know how very demanding and in-depth it is.

If it were me, I would take all of my concerns to the Lord in prayer and find out what His plans are for me at this time. You really don't have to study everything your kids are studying. Just study WHEN they study, so that they can see you. (Though you will probably not be able to study as deeply in their presence, and will need to add a few quiet early morning hours on your own.)

To learn more about the "6 Month No," you can read more about it in the "Leadership Education" book by Oliver and Rachel DeMille, or there's some really good stuff about it on the "Core and Love of Learning" audio CD.

While it's true we can't do everything, we CAN do what NEEDS to be done, WITH God's help. Best wishes, my dear. :-)

Sincerely,
Rachel Keppner
"ASPIRE to INSPIRE before you EXPIRE!"

are these music

Are these music classes Love of Learning or are they conveyor belt? Would your children continue to study music if you had to quit the classes, or would they be relieved not to study music? Whose decision is it to continue them?

Cooking can be simplified and you can teach your children to make meals. Don't feel guilty for eating canned soup now and then, but don't switch to carry-out food (expensive and unhealthy and means more gas and stress, because it requires leaving the home).

We manage, with seven children, about one official field trip per month. I know the wish to have them more frequently, but homeschooling is mainly "at home" (or at one stable location), not so much traveling that there's no time for pondering. (It is possible to do carschool, but save that for when you must learn while traveling; don't make a habit of keeping people always on the go.)

I'm earnestly trying to limit errands to one day per week, and doctor appointments on the same day each week, so that I can stay home on the other days. Chores get done more consistently when we're home to do them. And my standards of clean are lower than spotless; we cannot maintain a tidy home completely without limiting our children's investigations and formative play.

If you're also reading about the civil war, is this aloud to your children or is it on your own? Do you need to be studying both things on your own or should you decide one or the other is more important and inspire by letting your children know what you're studying for GWCAn abbreviation of George Wythe University (formerly George Wythe College), a private liberal arts college headquartered in Cedar City, Utah, which Dr. Oliver DeMille helped found, and where he formerly served as president. There are also plans underway for building a much larger campus in Monticello, Utah, and plans have also been announced for a remote campus in Alberta, Canada.?

Are you getting enough sleep? I finally have the determination to put "Walk" and "Nap" on my to-do list every day. I function much, much better when I'm well-rested, and walking restores my perspective, because I cannot read or clean or do anything else during that time but think and ponder and feel God's love through His creations. Don't use a walk as a reaon to stew over things; use it as a time to forgive yourself for not being perfect.